I was recently referred by a friend to "Primerica" for an "opportunity."  He refused to mention any details and simply said, "Man, you just gotta check it out."  I obliged, considering I'm desperately looking for work this summer to pay for university.  On the drive there,  he gave me minor details, still proclaiming, "Man, you just gotta talk to this guy.  He'll explain everything."  From what I gathered, I figured this "opportunity" revolved around sales; my amusement quickly dissolved.After waiting about half an hour, I was finally greeted by a "representative", whom I quickly identified as a boorish blockhead.  Our interview (I think that's what it was) began by him flashing all these fancy figures that I could be earn if I chose to join Primerica; uninspired and skeptical, I asked him monotonously, "So, doesn't this job require education?"  He was sharp--like a snake preying on a mouse--and said, "We actually require our representatives to complete a course in finance."  As our "interview" continued he explained why term life insurance was so good and frequently pointed at pictures of fancy digits and dollar signs; essentially I had no idea what was really going on, neither did he tell me what I'd actually be doing.  As he rapped up his uninspiring presentation, he began asking me hypothetical questions like, "How much money would like to make in life?" or "How many hours would you like to work?" and "What kind of luxury car would you like to drive?"--claiming all my dreams would come true if I joined Primerica, as I could work little hours and make a six-figure income (though, unfortunately, none of my dreams revolve around money.)  He then told me that I'd be required to pay $100 to get a finance certificate, and therefore be qualified.  I immediately thought, SCAM.  But no, I wasn't quite right. They do send you to a legitimate place (you can find them on your own) where you can obtain a certificate in finance.As I had now listened to this guy's explanation--I think I was supposed to be brainwashed--my friend had now felt inclined to fill me in on the details.  On the ride home, which, by the way, he played a motivational CD by some Primerica guy (creepy,) I was finally told what I would be doing: selling life insurance.  On the surface, not that I would be interested or anything, it didn't seem like the deceptive conclusion that I came to later on.  However, as he continued, he said that for my "training" I would have to go out with Daniel (the representative) and explain to my family, as well as other close contacts, how the service worked; in turn, I would receive a small portion of any sales made.  By the time I got home, I began to put together the puzzle.  I was told during my interview not to look up Primerica on the web, but to go to specific sites, which he wrote down for me.  I thought that it was pretty sketchy, but  he assured me of the business's integrity with the high ratings that the company received in valid business magazines, and then showed me where Primerica was on the New York Stock Exchange.Even though the closest I've ever made it to in business is through Death of a Salesman, by Arther Miller, I became acquainted with some business terms, terms that he failed to mention.  I reached the conclusion that Primerica is a multi-level marketing organization; they operate through a pyramid scheme.  Basically, how it works is you, the salesman, go out and sell their life insurance; in turn, however, your sales makes everyone else money, including a relatively small portion for yourself (the people higher up on the "pyramid.")  They operate through referrals and allow you to recruit people, yourself, to make more money (which is why my friend was so eager to refer me.)  The reason they want you to work for them is because you'll make them money, while they virtually do nothing.  There's essentially nothing wrong with this, but if you think about how such an operation is ran, it seems quite pathetic: they'll hire anyone (the more the merrier) and by sending these non-professional, non-educated people out to sell life insurance, do you think people will actually buy it?  What if the potential buyer decides to, uh, I don't know, ask questions?This is where they get you again.  Throughout my interview, the guy explained how their product, term life insurance, was so great; typically, he's right, but for life insurance, it certainly isn't a "one size fits all" scenario.  Also, he made it seem that this product was so unique and that they're the only ones who offer it.  I believe I had asked him how likely it would be to sell this product in terms of competition.  He pulled out a red herring and went on about something else--I think about their really low rates.  I went on Google and was surprised to find that practically every insurance company offers the same service.  I did a few quotes under various ages and scenarios and also found that Primerica is much more expensive, practically under every circumstance, than other services--how are you supposed to sell that?  He had me convinced that their service was the "Wal-mart" (We sell for less!) of life insurance.  Nope.  Finally, I put everything together and this is what I gathered:They try to sell life insurance to your friends and family (because, for your training, you have to "observe" the representative through six session of him trying to sell life insurance [to your close friends and family.]) And what better people to sell to!  You go to them, saying, "I just got this new "job" and this is part of my training--are they, as your friends and family, going to be inclined to buy this half-a** insurance policy?  Obviously.  Once you get through these six observations sessions, your training is now complete and you can now sell freely.  But, once again, who's going to want to buy from your non-professional, non-educated self?  Certainly, not those close friends and family, as they--if they decided to even make purchases--bought them off your representative.  I wouldn't see these people as your only hope as sales but, in the end, who's else is going trust your non-professional a**?  This is the beauty of multi-level marketing: your sales will quickly run out once you've heard, "Nos" from all you'll close friends and family.  At the end of the day, you, as well as many others, have just made someone higher up in the pyramid a lot more money, but once you run out of sales, that's okay, they have 200,000 some odd people just like you to bring them in more money and referrals.You don't stand a chance selling this garbage.  In fact, the average income of a Primerica salesmen is little more than $5000 annually, which is a far cry from the $100,000 income they flaunt in your face as well as even a typical $20,000 minimum wage salary.  Don't waste your time.  If you're a good salesmen, have an endless supply of contacts, and you don't mind pressuring your close friends and family into sales, there's something way better out there for you then Primerica.However, I never dealt with the "cult" aspect of Primerica; to be honest, I figured it would just make for an interesting headline, but it seems like there's an eerie truth to it.  Although I can only base my skepticism on the fact that I received creepy vibes from every single person in that building, it seems like a lot of brainwashing is taking place.  They keep you in line, as I said earlier, by telling you how much money you can make; they do this by having frequent conferences, "motivational" CDs, covering their walls in posters, and moronic representatives influencing you every step of the way.  They do this to motivate you, so reality takes a longer time set in; once it has, you'll be scratching your head wondering, why the hell you spent so much time on such nonsense.

Shortcake clearly didn't understand the link. The CMA was set up by telemarketers to create an ethics code for telemarketers who join to follow. It seems the telemarketer in question has questionable ethics according to these posts.

As far as MLM goes, in Canada,

"An MLM plan is a plan with three or more levels (the operator and at least two levels of participants) that promotes the supply of a product to participants of the plan. Compensation is earned by participants in the MLM plan based on the supply of the product to participants and/or non-participants of the MLM plan. A legitimate MLM plan focuses on the supply of products rather than the recruitment of prospective participants into the MLM plan and offers products that consumers value and are willing to purchase."

http://competitionbureau.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/eng/03035.html#multi_level

I think people can decide for themselves based on this description whether a particular company is MLM or not.

All that I'm asking of you is that you remove all posts that we DID NOT CALL - let them use other forums or someone else's phone number but not ours.  I, and many of my colleagues, work under this phone number and there are many posts that are misleading, irrelevant or simply untrue and slanderous that are posted under this number.  If you choose to leave these posts for others to read, then please leave my post as well.  If this site is allowing freedom of speech regardless of relevance than I should be allowed to comment on the context as well and post whatever I like too, right?  Either remove posts that we did not call or allow mine to stay.

My husband got 'hired' by Primerica about two months ago through CareerBuilder.com. He has a bachelors degree in Public Relations, has no experience in financial industry and had never taken a single class in finance but was looking for a sales job. Needless to say, he was an easy target for Primerica's smooth talkers. Just two days after he got recruited his 'trainer' had invited herself into our home to do a 'kitchen table' with us to help us set our financial goals and help Paul 'train'.

Me being a recent MBA graduate I prepared a whole list of questions like 'So how exactly is Primerica different from say Mary Kay other than the fact that Mary Kay sells makeup and Primerica sells financial services?' and 'Is there really a business need for my husband to recruit his friend the plumber and our neighbor the Secretary to sell insurance with him so that he can make money of their sales to their friends and family?' I had all kinds of questions that I was so sure she wasn't going to be able to answer at least not to my satisfaction and that because of that we would not ever see her again.

Boy was I wrong. She had me completely showed. She was throwing around arguments about baby boomers retiring soon and how they'll be rolling their 401ks and all of this money will be exchanging hands and there will be no one to help them with their insurance and investment needs. And this is because companies like Merrill Lynch wouldn't even talk to you unless you have $100, 000 to invest and Primerica fills in that growing market of middle class people that do not yet have clear financial goals set.

To my question on whether Primerica is a multi-level-marketing company she exhaled: 'But of course it is multi-level! Every single corporation in the United States is multi-level. Everyone including CEOs have people below them, above and them or both.'
Not 30 min. into it we were already going into our Financial Needs Analysis (aka FNA) and through Primerica's 'Show Me the Money' 6 months plan. She was throwing charts, graphs and all kinds of flyers at us showing exactly how much money will my husband making over the course of next 6 months being on the fast track 'trainer's plan'.

Among other things she kept saying that if the wife isn't happy then no one will be happy and that she wanted to make sure I was agreeing with what Primerica had in plan for him and that I was satisfied with it. Along with six figure income after 6-7 months she showed us that the first month while he is training he will make exactly $565 - by his trainer giving him or finding him a client for a life insurance policy. Yes its small, $565, but its guaranteed and it will help pay for our daughter's daycare.

When she left our house I left pretty good about my husband's new job. Sure, its commission only but with all the 'training', help networking from his trainers and colleagues and his sales skills he is be bound to succeed. But my piece of mind did not last very long. In less than two weeks I saw what was going on. He was 'training' for about an hour on Saturdays only and spent all day Tuesdays interview new recruits. Outside that all he did was make endless phone calls soliciting new recruits.

As I work from our home office I get to hear the same sales pitch over and over again. Several friends started avoiding us as he tried to recruit them, they refused but he wouldn't back off. Around that time is when I found out that not only did we pay for the $199 membership fee but we also bought a term life insurance policy on my 27 year old husband's life that we needed so much as he could die any second and what would I do than to replace all of his income (with Primerica) ? And we didn't stop there.

We got an emergency mutual fund investment too. And all of this before trying to pay off all of the high interest debt we have that is costing it a lot more any investment we could make. Needless to say I went ballistic but as soon as I came down I started doing my research. Here is what I found out through watching him recruit and talk about Primerica:

Primerica is nothing but a pyramid scheme that depends on constant influx of new recruits that will pay the $199 membership fee and purchase number of financial services/ investments most of which they do not need or are not suitable for them. The manner in which Primerica sells these financial services involves some very questionable business practices and by sales reps with very little or no training, education or credentials in financial advising.

Even though my husband had now spent almost two months with the company he could not give you the definition of term life insurance let alone explain the difference between term life insurance and cash value insurance. Despite of this, he managed to recruit some 6-7 new people most of which he solicited off CareerBuilder. It's been two months now he did not make the promised first month $565. When he asked his trainer about it she told him she couldn't help him with it because he did not have a 'warm market'.

Primerica was been and is under investigation by the SEC, FTC and numerous other government bodies. Listing of investigations and litigations can be found SEC's and other sites -->
http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/txt-srch-sec?text= ... rt=&count=§ion=
Litigation&sort=rank

If you just do a goggle or Yahoo search on 'Primerica fraud' you will get hundreds of hits explaining lawsuits, Primerica's deceptive tactics and testimonials of people defrauded. Most concerning of all though is that members of Primerica during company's presentations and speeches yell out 'Amen' and 'Hallelujah' (my husband admitted hearing this too) and insist upon Primerica being a 'Christian' organization.

The two of us had never went to church on our own before but only a month after he started working for Primerica he insisted on going to church every Sunday. And not only going to service but to Sunday school, Wednesday service and church softball and basketball leagues- its good for meeting contacts for Primerica.

To sum it up:

What Primerica tells their recruits is that:

1) They can easily make a six figure income
2) Their greatest income opportunity comes from recruiting new people from whose sales they will receive overrides (or % of commission)
3) The $199 dollars is for a background check (that typically does not cost more then $65 or that $40 is for the background check and $159 is to cover the cost of government subsidized classes (which oddly enough cost exactly the same in every state)
4) That in order to be successful selling Primerica's financial services it is strongly recommended that the representative buys a portfolio of Primerica's products
5) That Primerica is in fact a 'Multi-Level-Marketing' organization but 'as is every single corporation in the United States' (or everyone but the CEO has people below and above them)
6) That they are being recruited as financial advisors
7) Primerica is in the business of “helping people'
8) That Primerica is a part of Citigroup - the largest financial company in the world

What they don't tell their recruits is that:

1) Only about 1.5% all Primerica's sales reps ever make a six figure income, if even that many
2) Primerica does not cover any of the business expenses or overhead representatives incur in the process of recruiting new members or selling Primerica's services
3) As a result of questionable business practices Primerica's has been banned from operating in the state of New York for two years (strangely enough my husband's recruiter had moved down from New Jersey?)
4) Even Primerica's disclaimers state that 'Representatives are not financial planners, investment advisors, financial consultants or other specialists who provide financial advice and whose compensation may be unrelated to sales.'
http://ww4.primerica.com/public/primerica_disclosures.html

5) That Citigroup is merely a sister company of Primerica that does not endorse any of Primerica's business

All that my husband has to say to this is 'I bet that if you look hard enough on the Internet you'll find that even Jesus is bad'. He does not want to even hear about anything about it much less consider doing his own research. He is now even planning on an advertising campaign to get his Primerica's sales started. Needless to say, Primerica will not pay for any of it.

Basically going forward my fear is that:

a) Him and I will pour hundreds if not thousands of more dollars into this 'business venture' before he figures out who he's dealing with
b) Some new recruit and/or customer will either break his jaw when they realize they had been defrauded or sue him

I have said so many things to him but nothing seems to be working. We just end up getting into fights about it. He is not himself anymore and has been completely brainwashed. He would not listen to me or his parents and family. His aunt actually had the exact same experience with Primerica and told him not to do it. But Primerica's answer to it is that its not for everybody - it is hard work and only determined and hard working ones succeed. But lately I've been feeling that the following applies.

Stay away from Primerica and their pushy salesman with no knowledge in any financial area. They are posing as financial advisors looking to take your $199 and sell you anything they possibly can. After all as a member you better be buying all you are trying to sell.

My husband got 'hired' by Primerica about two months ago through CareerBuilder.com. He has a bachelors degree in Public Relations, has no experience in financial industry and had never taken a single class in finance but was looking for a sales job. Needless to say, he was an easy target for Primerica's smooth talkers. Just two days after he got recruited his 'trainer' had invited herself into our home to do a 'kitchen table' with us to help us set our financial goals and help Paul 'train'. Me being a recent MBA graduate I prepared a whole list of questions like 'So how exactly is Primerica different from say Mary Kay other than the fact that Mary Kay sells makeup and Primerica sells financial services?' and 'Is there really a business need for my husband to recruit his friend the plumber and our neighbor the Secretary to sell insurance with him so that he can make money of their sales to their friends and family?' I had all kinds of questions that I was so sure she wasn't going to be able to answer at least not to my satisfaction and that because of that we would not ever see her again.Boy was I wrong. She had me completely showed. She was throwing around arguments about baby boomers retiring soon and how they'll be rolling their 401ks and all of this money will be exchanging hands and there will be no one to help them with their insurance and investment needs. And this is because companies like Merrill Lynch wouldn't even talk to you unless you have $100, 000 to invest and Primerica fills in that growing market of middle class people that do not yet have clear financial goals set. To my question on whether Primerica is a multi-level-marketing company she exhaled: 'But of course it is multi-level! Every single corporation in the United States is multi-level. Everyone including CEOs have people below them, above and them or both.' Not 30 min. into it we were already going into our Financial Needs Analysis (aka FNA) and through Primerica's 'Show Me the Money' 6 months plan. She was throwing charts, graphs and all kinds of flyers at us showing exactly how much money will my husband making over the course of next 6 months being on the fast track 'trainer's plan'. Among other things she kept saying that if the wife isn't happy then no one will be happy and that she wanted to make sure I was agreeing with what Primerica had in plan for him and that I was satisfied with it. Along with six figure income after 6-7 months she showed us that the first month while he is training he will make exactly $565 - by his trainer giving him or finding him a client for a life insurance policy. Yes its small, $565, but its guaranteed and it will help pay for our daughter's daycare. When she left our house I left pretty good about my husband's new job. Sure, its commission only but with all the 'training', help networking from his trainers and colleagues and his sales skills he is be bound to succeed. But my piece of mind did not last very long. In less than two weeks I saw what was going on. He was 'training' for about an hour on Saturdays only and spent all day Tuesdays interview new recruits. Outside that all he did was make endless phone calls soliciting new recruits. As I work from our home office I get to hear the same sales pitch over and over again. Several friends started avoiding us as he tried to recruit them, they refused but he wouldn't back off. Around that time is when I found out that not only did we pay for the $199 membership fee but we also bought a term life insurance policy on my 27 year old husband's life that we needed so much as he could die any second and what would I do than to replace all of his income (with Primerica) ? And we didn't stop there. We got an emergency mutual fund investment too. And all of this before trying to pay off all of the high interest debt we have that is costing it a lot more any investment we could make. Needless to say I went ballistic but as soon as I came down I started doing my research. Here is what I found out through watching him recruit and talk about Primerica:Primerica is nothing but a pyramid scheme that depends on constant influx of new recruits that will pay the $199 membership fee and purchase number of financial services/ investments most of which they do not need or are not suitable for them. The manner in which Primerica sells these financial services involves some very questionable business practices and by sales reps with very little or no training, education or credentials in financial advising. Even though my husband had now spent almost two months with the company he could not give you the definition of term life insurance let alone explain the difference between term life insurance and cash value insurance. Despite of this, he managed to recruit some 6-7 new people most of which he solicited off CareerBuilder. It's been two months now he did not make the promised first month $565. When he asked his trainer about it she told him she couldn't help him with it because he did not have a 'warm market'. Primerica was been and is under investigation by the SEC, FTC and numerous other government bodies. Listing of investigations and litigations can be found SEC's and other sites -->http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/txt-srch-sec?text= ... rt=&count=§ion= Litigation&sort=rankIf you just do a goggle or Yahoo search on 'Primerica fraud' you will get hundreds of hits explaining lawsuits, Primerica's deceptive tactics and testimonials of people defrauded. Most concerning of all though is that members of Primerica during company's presentations and speeches yell out 'Amen' and 'Hallelujah' (my husband admitted hearing this too) and insist upon Primerica being a 'Christian' organization. The two of us had never went to church on our own before but only a month after he started working for Primerica he insisted on going to church every Sunday. And not only going to service but to Sunday school, Wednesday service and church softball and basketball leagues- its good for meeting contacts for Primerica. To sum it up:What Primerica tells their recruits is that:1) They can easily make a six figure income 2) Their greatest income opportunity comes from recruiting new people from whose sales they will receive overrides (or % of commission) 3) The $199 dollars is for a background check (that typically does not cost more then $65 or that $40 is for the background check and $159 is to cover the cost of government subsidized classes (which oddly enough cost exactly the same in every state) 4) That in order to be successful selling Primerica's financial services it is strongly recommended that the representative buys a portfolio of Primerica's products 5) That Primerica is in fact a 'Multi-Level-Marketing' organization but 'as is every single corporation in the United States' (or everyone but the CEO has people below and above them) 6) That they are being recruited as financial advisors 7) Primerica is in the business of â??helping people' 8) That Primerica is a part of Citigroup - the largest financial company in the worldWhat they don't tell their recruits is that:1) Only about 1.5% all Primerica's sales reps ever make a six figure income, if even that many 2) Primerica does not cover any of the business expenses or overhead representatives incur in the process of recruiting new members or selling Primerica's services 3) As a result of questionable business practices Primerica's has been banned from operating in the state of New York for two years (strangely enough my husband's recruiter had moved down from New Jersey?) 4) Even Primerica's disclaimers state that 'Representatives are not financial planners, investment advisors, financial consultants or other specialists who provide financial advice and whose compensation may be unrelated to sales.'http://ww4.primerica.com/public/primerica_disclosures.html5) That Citigroup is merely a sister company of Primerica that does not endorse any of Primerica's businessAll that my husband has to say to this is 'I bet that if you look hard enough on the Internet you'll find that even Jesus is bad'. He does not want to even hear about anything about it much less consider doing his own research. He is now even planning on an advertising campaign to get his Primerica's sales started. Needless to say, Primerica will not pay for any of it. Basically going forward my fear is that:a) Him and I will pour hundreds if not thousands of more dollars into this 'business venture' before he figures out who he's dealing with b) Some new recruit and/or customer will either break his jaw when they realize they had been defrauded or sue himI have said so many things to him but nothing seems to be working. We just end up getting into fights about it. He is not himself anymore and has been completely brainwashed. He would not listen to me or his parents and family. His aunt actually had the exact same experience with Primerica and told him not to do it. But Primerica's answer to it is that its not for everybody - it is hard work and only determined and hard working ones succeed. But lately I've been feeling that the following applies.Stay away from Primerica and their pushy salesman with no knowledge in any financial area. They are posing as financial advisors looking to take your $199 and sell you anything they possibly can. After all as a member you better be buying all you are trying to sell.